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#71797 - 10/12/17 06:59 PM Server build (Dell) recommendations
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5-7 users AC no sharepoint exchange.
Probably going with 2012 r2 essentials

Also what is a good firewall recommendations


Thank you

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#71798 - 10/12/17 07:22 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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I'll let James/Sandeep weigh in on hardware.

I have a very solid Firewall recommendation after having an opportunity to be part of a private briefing that gave me significant insight in data that isn't publically available outside a particular security group.

The Sophos XG series firewall is superior for several technical reasons, and the private test data validates it. For context, Sophos collects 1 trillion+ telemetry elements daily, which enables both their accuracy, as well as the lowest false-positive rate in the marketplace.

Those installations of the UK's Department of Health that had Intercept X installed prevented the (then) unknown Wanna-Cry ransomware virus from infecting. The other installations that were protected with other vendors were the ones closed down by the infections.

It is also not well known that because of a code error in the attack, PAYING THE RANSOM didn't work because the software jacked up the keys, and the ransomware COULDN'T decrypt the files it produced.
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#71799 - 10/13/17 12:10 AM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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Thank you Indy

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#71800 - 10/13/17 12:23 AM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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Dell T330 with 24G of RAM and 4 300G 15k rpm drives in a RAID 5 array.
Windows Server 2016 Standard installed as the host OS with hyper-v enabled.
Windows Server 2016 Standard installed as a guest configured as a domain controller.
Windows Server 2016 Standard installed as a guest to run AC database and file shares.
Veeam as backup software.

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#71802 - 10/13/17 08:11 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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Originally Posted By: Bert
And another server running Windows Server 2016 Standard to run the Veeam Availability Suite as some vendors will say is best practice.


I was basically making fun of Veeam.

But, to be serious, if you are going to buy clients, I would go with Lenovo.

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#71803 - 10/13/17 09:07 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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Or just get five Dell i5's running Windows on a peer-to-peer.
Just sayin'.
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#71804 - 10/13/17 10:14 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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I have never had to use another server to run the veeam availability suite. It can be installed on the application server with Amazing Charts.

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#71805 - 10/13/17 10:16 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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I know. That would make sense. Just sayin' what Veeam said. But, it's good to get your opinion. smile
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#71806 - 10/13/17 11:57 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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I don't know how these posts got so out of order. But, I think the reason James recommended the Client/Server Domain approach was because the OP stated he wanted Server recommendations. I agree with James. Not sure why one would choose 2012 if they are just starting given 2016 has been out for a while.

Of course, I should clarify to the OP that I am not James or Sandeep, but I did stumble my way through using a Dell T430 with 32GBs of RAM and the two VM guests provided with Windows Server 2016 Standard using one for databases and one for the DC.

As for software, I would HIGHLY recommend SharePoint. You could use O365 for email and SharePoint and the other office apps.
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#71817 - 10/16/17 02:52 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: JBS]
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Originally Posted By: JBS
Or just get five Dell i5's running Windows on a peer-to-peer.
Just sayin'.


Or splurge and get one i7 with 32G RAM and RAID 1 SSDs you install yourself.

Just sayin' as well.
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#71825 - 10/17/17 12:38 AM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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One of these days I'm going to figure out why some insist on running a peer-to-peer network.

Apparently, not today.

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#71826 - 10/17/17 12:41 AM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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Oh no. I hope we don't start this battle again. frown
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#71827 - 10/17/17 01:54 AM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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Start? I wasn't aware we ever finished. In fact, I know we never finished. I haven't won yet. smile

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#71828 - 10/17/17 01:45 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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I guess the only way this one will end (for me) is if I wake up one morning with an understanding of how to use that da*n server software.
Or if I get bought out by the hospital - and that is far more likely, sad to say.
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#71829 - 10/17/17 03:44 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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OK, so I should change my name as the P2P group won't believe it is I.

I can easily see why a group would use P2P. Either they were already set up this way or it was easier to set up from the get go. While they do have other software such as billing software on the main computer, for the most part people look at a network as what they need for AC. And, since running AC on a P2P works fine, most people don't look any further.

It is easy to see why those who are in the IT business or their job is computers and networking or SQL whatever would recommend Client/Server networks. For them it is second nature. And, without a doubt, using a server and a server OS allows for a much more powerful network. It allows for group policy, active directory, better security, single sign-on, a better RAID setup, and with the exception of having to reboot after some updates, the ability to run a year or more without reboots. I could list many more.

As someone who uses client/server and enjoys working with computers and networking, I have become rather proficient with servers and Hyper-V and guests, etc. But, 15 years ago, I didn't know the first thing about servers. And, I wouldn't have known how to set up a domain. Finally, I dove into SBS2003 and loved it. Group policy and the ability to stop my staff from setting up cute wall paper and other such things was great. Permissions were much easier. But, even after the initial setup by an IT group, I knew very little about the maintenance of it.

Is Client/Server with a server and a server OS a better overall network? Yes? Is it necessary to run AC? Not really. Part of the issue is that not everyone has experienced what a server can do. It is ironic, because one of my friends who works for Microsoft and has more MVPs and MCITPs behind their name than I can count always tells me when I ask him a question about an issue on the board which involves P2P; I can't answer that, because P2P is much too difficult than a Client/Server setup. For those who are proficient in Client/Server networks, they will understand that sentiment even though it doesn't sound intuitive.

Yes, Hyper-V and guests and group policy, etc. allow the Admin of a network to do a lot more and, to be honest, it is way cool. But, if you step back from all the experience people in IT have with these products, it is much more difficult to set up. I will say that I am rather good at it, but I do not have the same skill set that Indy, James and Sandeep have. But, their work revolves around computers and networking and DNS and AD and Hyper-V and not medicine. Most users on doctors on the board spend 95% of their time working with patients. They have 5% of their time (in the office) to work on computers not to mention the day to day issues of running a practice.
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#71830 - 10/17/17 03:58 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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Welcome to our team, Bert.
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#71831 - 10/17/17 04:54 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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Glad to be aboard.
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#71832 - 10/17/17 06:16 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: JamesNT]
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Originally Posted By: JamesNT
Start? I wasn't aware we ever finished. In fact, I know we never finished. I haven't won yet. smile

Depending on who you want to win over, you probably never will, through no fault of your own.

A relatively small practice (~ 6 computers or less) has a low cost/benefit trade-off. The complexity and costs typically outweigh the perceived value.

And if that size practice does want to tinker some, Linux/KVM has a far more compelling cost trade-off. You have a no cost, fully portable solution without the licensing headaches as well. I've helped several Docs do this over the years.

Once you are above 10-12 computers, the world changes, the equation changes.
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#71833 - 10/17/17 06:17 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: astrojay]
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I am not sure that either one of us could handle James alone, but maybe together....
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#71834 - 10/17/17 06:18 PM Re: Server build (Dell) recommendations [Re: JBS]
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Originally Posted By: JBS
Welcome to our team, Bert.


I remain the merc in all of this, I get paid to fix problems, however the client wants it done.
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